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Post by KingCrazyGenius on Oct 8, 2004 13:54:57 GMT -5
SS3 is not an ordinary state of SS like SS and SS2. To achieve that level Goku had to train in otherworld for seven years. It was because of the strange otherworldly rules that Goku was able to get himself to that level. If anything Vegeta trains himself even harder than Goku, yet unless Vegeta dies and starts training in otherworld he will never achieve SS3, because it is not a power of this world.
When the Kai's saw SS3 they stated that the power was not of this world. It has very strange effects, such as reducing the time one can stay in the world of the living and even altering fusions.
Under ordinary circumstances not even an immortal saiyan would be able to achieve SS3 I would imagine. Gotenks achieved it soley because he was a fused saiyan (and it is likely any other SS fusion would be able to get to that state). Goku achieved it solely because he was given a body to train with in otherworld.
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Post by bladedragon on Oct 8, 2004 22:03:41 GMT -5
sumtimes i HATE when ppl have 2 do EVERYTHING by shows and manga. put some logic into the game put some spice into the game. 1 reason y i say go kinda against show is beacuse of this episode during super 17 saga. before the 2 17's fused 1 atked trunks. driver: where u going today trunks: 2 sumwhere i forget 17 comes in and atks car. trunks: how the 17 was killed HOW DOES TRUNKS NO 17 TRUNKS NEVER MET 17. THE PPL WHO MADE GT R DUMBA$$'S TRUNKS NEVER MET 17!!!!!!! srry for caps
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Post by InsanityX on Oct 8, 2004 22:48:57 GMT -5
Well Vegito DOES compose of 50% Goku, and Goku uses quite abit, wich should alowe vegito to use it to a point, but not like Gokus, make it like cell, only to key locations
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Post by Kupan on Oct 19, 2004 18:36:13 GMT -5
I just wanna get some things straight - first of all to answer the question asked - yes he should, the reason being he can in the series. When he is fighting buu, and he has absorbed gotensk, he uses his ghost technique, where they can fire kamehameha, and he instant transmissions away from the blast - there u go!
Vegito, the potara fusion, does not, i repeat, does NOT have a tail in the series, whereas gogeta only appears in movies or GT, not same creator, but he DOES have a tail... to sum up, vegito hasnt a tail, gogeta does.
Vegito doesnt get USS or SS3 at any point, these things have been explained, so did how gohan lost his tail.
The last thing is about Goku's SS3 ability, i dont believe it was out of that world, allthough it techniacally it, its from Vegita isnt it;) But it is easier to train in otherworld, the energy - ki - lasts longer there, u find out when he is fighting buu, he goes SS3 but is warned it shortens his life span there because it depleets his energy. Thats what i believe anyway... so its reacharble, but extremely hard, Vegeta trains a lot, but you have to remember Goku doesn nothing but train in Otherworld.
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Post by hellfury2 on Oct 19, 2004 19:20:17 GMT -5
If Kupan's right and i think he is then Vegito should have IT.
In the game Vegito can be formed at any time... this means you can fuse when both goku and vegeta have ss4. doesn't it stand to reason that vegito would also have this ability if you fuse at this point in the game?
I mean lets face it, Vegito is already different from the show, you can fuse into Vegito at any point in the game and that is a good thing but the game should at least make sense around that.
Also there is no reason in or out of the game for Vegito not having ss2, vegeta and goku both have it and most people think that Vegito did go ss2 at some point. Wether or not he did is irrelevant since he definatly could.
As for ss3, it's possible that Vegito could go ss3 since goku could go ss3 but i doubt it. I think that is the sort of thing that unless it was shown in the series then it shouldn't be added.
And don't say that if we give Vegito ss2 or ss4 that we would have to do stupid thing like ss5 or ss4 for gotenks because Vegito can already fuse at any point in the game, that rule has already been broken, I just want the game to make sense.
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Post by CNukemR on Oct 19, 2004 20:25:58 GMT -5
although logically you are right, if we extend such logic to vegito, why cant gohan get ss3 and ss4? (he has a tail)... or goten ktrunks and mtrunks getting ss2/ss3....
since we agreed broly has a tail (someone ?KCG? said so..) then he could also get ss4... (or lss4 w/e)
if gotenkz says no (he might...) then send this idea to Kenshin...
but personally I think saiyans SHOULD all be able to get most of the forms (cept for the tail issue..)
but of course they would get them much later... goku ss3 at lvl 50... goten at 100-150... [example..]
of course we could add a wish for a saiyan to get his tail (back) and include triggers so you can lose tails (from massive dmg [cut off] or death [yanked out]...) cut off could be regrown (aka goku) whereas yanked HAS to be wished back (if anything)...
but personally i'm game for vegito uss/ss2/ss3/ss4 (goozaru/oozaru...) but if only one of them has a tail, you get 50% chance of no monkeys/ss4.... (no tail no monkey.. 2 tails monkey.. so forth) (wish could fix though)...
but then .. goten ss,uss,ss2,ss3 (4 and monkey if wish..) trunks the same...gohan the same (cept he wount need wish....)
gets messy... then we have to increase powers of most of evil.. (broly would get more trans..)
coola would need something (better data/upgrades) cell might be fine (overpowered right now) piccolo would need super namel/more fusions.... buu would need better absorbs or stronger... bebi would need (ALOT OF WORK...) so forth...
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Post by Kupan on Oct 20, 2004 7:37:58 GMT -5
Of Course im right... But its only the fusion of SS4 Gogeta who has a tail, at the start, in one of the movies, rebirth of fusion, they dont get one... only in GT as SS4. Also, there is no evidence whether or not Broli has a tail, in the movie all you see is clothes, but he escapes planet vegeta with a tail, and one can only assume that there has been no reason to cut it off, so he still has it.
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Post by CNukemR on Oct 20, 2004 9:25:38 GMT -5
like I said, someone somewhere said in one of his movies he clearly (i assume he means as adult broly, not baby) has a tail...
not sure..
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Post by SBKKupan on Oct 24, 2004 12:43:32 GMT -5
Just for the record, now that i am a member i can vote, and i voted YES...
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Post by pxc on Oct 24, 2004 14:33:27 GMT -5
... did either vegito or gogeta GET transmission in the series/manga/comics and whatnot? if they get it, then cell (in all forms should) as well as buu(absorbs goku), and bebi (in goku body).... actually, buu gets it and uses it to leave hyper chamber i think, and cell gets it (but not in all forms), and bebi in goku's body should get it.
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Post by pxc on Oct 24, 2004 14:36:39 GMT -5
although logically you are right, if we extend such logic to vegito, why cant gohan get ss3 and ss4? (he has a tail)... or goten ktrunks and mtrunks getting ss2/ss3.... since we agreed broly has a tail (someone ?KCG? said so..) then he could also get ss4... (or lss4 w/e) if gotenkz says no (he might...) then send this idea to Kenshin... but personally I think saiyans SHOULD all be able to get most of the forms (cept for the tail issue..) but of course they would get them much later... goku ss3 at lvl 50... goten at 100-150... [example..] of course we could add a wish for a saiyan to get his tail (back) and include triggers so you can lose tails (from massive dmg [cut off] or death [yanked out]...) cut off could be regrown (aka goku) whereas yanked HAS to be wished back (if anything)... but personally i'm game for vegito uss/ss2/ss3/ss4 (goozaru/oozaru...) but if only one of them has a tail, you get 50% chance of no monkeys/ss4.... (no tail no monkey.. 2 tails monkey.. so forth) (wish could fix though)... but then .. goten ss,uss,ss2,ss3 (4 and monkey if wish..) trunks the same...gohan the same (cept he wount need wish....) gets messy... then we have to increase powers of most of evil.. (broly would get more trans..) coola would need something (better data/upgrades) cell might be fine (overpowered right now) piccolo would need super namel/more fusions.... buu would need better absorbs or stronger... bebi would need (ALOT OF WORK...) so forth... wishing for tails? awesome. sounds alright
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Post by pxc on Oct 24, 2004 14:39:32 GMT -5
and u guys (mods) put stuff that is completely valid, or at least was voted YES on, in the off topic/junk section, probably because of your own beliefs. Even if it were gotenks himself, I still think that you shouldn't be able to do that to a successful poll unless it gets very, very seriously off-topic.
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Post by CNukemR on Oct 24, 2004 15:38:02 GMT -5
actually, buu gets it and uses it to leave hyper chamber i think, and cell gets it (but not in all forms), and bebi in goku's body should get it. bebi in goku's makes sense.. buu (super at least) screams reallly loudly and causes a rip in the 'fabric of space time' deal... no insta trans there.. triple posting though, NICE as to junk posts... i send stuff there all the time.. most of which, either wasnt voted yes for, is old/dead, goofy (krillin as a player... cmon), but junk is area i want gotenks to filter through..(once he looks at them[if they arent being posted on] he can delete them) i try to keep the idea forum only full of active topics.. that are being developed.. gotenks COULD create another forum for finalized idea threads... if i really disagreed with an idea, what would be the point of sending it to the junk section? would make more sense for me to merely delete it.. (which I dont do merely for variance in opinion, instead I voice myself and argue) oh and as to wishing for tails, in general that was referring to wishing the tails BACK (if we added tail removal..) [sooo unless we decied goten/ktrunks/mtrunks had tails, this wouldnt work for them... though it could... but it would get nasty..] this idea was initially strictly for goku/vegeta/gohan (and mb broly) if thye lost their tails..
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Post by SBKKupan on Oct 24, 2004 15:47:59 GMT -5
I don't think we should include tails, think about it, even Cell would be no problem if they could all get such a boost from the wish. And besides, I dont think anyone will use that wish anyway, unless some of us play and just want to test it, everyone will want to become more powerful. So its pretty pointless to me.
Buu doesn't have Instant transmission, he makes a rip in the "univers" or what not, cant remember how king kai described it. But Kid Buu does have it, he uses it to come to the kai planet to fight Goku and Vegeta. I think i have said this once before.
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Post by CommunistSmurf on Oct 24, 2004 16:12:16 GMT -5
not sure if this matters but goku is a pure saiyan, gohan is half, goten is half, pan is quarter i think etc
goku is pure saiyan so he goes ss3 and 4 and wut not where gohan goten etc dont but u could argue that vegeta is a pure saiyan and doesnt but o well just a thought
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