PanicFire
Super Saiyan 2
Dabura King of Demons
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Post by PanicFire on Oct 31, 2004 17:01:11 GMT -5
the power of gohan decreases because he got older and didn't train: vegeta stated that when goku got wished back.
the fusion of them afcourse are stronger, but vegito was way stronger, he could have gone ss4, if he trained, but because he got split up in buu he never got to do that. (toriyama never tought of ss4 before gt so that's why vegito can't go ss4 ^^)
goku and vegeta are EXACTLY the same power, in the end of gt, and i mean exactly, that's something that gets clear when they do a ss4 fusion into gogeta to fight agains evil dragon.
if the hints toriyama made are correct, (they aren't really stated only hinted at) is that saiyans true form is ss4 (hence the black hair again) and they degraded over time to ss3 - ss2 - ss - normal form, and for a long time they where to weak to go ss, till goku and vegeta, going up again, so if goku and vegeta where to train enough and get up to the point where they could maintain ss4 (the true saiyan form) for ever, they could also use potara to fuse like that, (if you watch every ep, movie, read some intervieuws from toriyama , you will know what i mean)
also i think the list is pretty accurate, it's just guessing anyways. i'll make my list soon after this post, prolly getting flamed at this post anyways.
greetz Panic_Fire
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PanicFire
Super Saiyan 2
Dabura King of Demons
Posts: 175
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Post by PanicFire on Oct 31, 2004 17:14:51 GMT -5
Gogeta / Vegito (i'm not gonna seperate these, they are both equeally strong in there own way and see my former post)
goku / vegeta (both exactly the same strenght at the end of gt it is clearer then ever, but it gets clear when they fight whenever they do after buu saga.
supreme kai / kibito kai (fused they are between these guys, but they aren't seen fighting, only hinted at being strong because of being a kai in the first place)
gotenks / gohan (these guys are in my opinion both the same strength, because gohan is more serious then gotenks he is a better fighter, but gotenks has more raw power)
future trunks
picollo
chibi trunks / goten
tien
krillin
yamcha
chi-chi (yeah she's really strong, that's why gohan has his strenght when he gets mad, look at the db serie you'll know)
master rochi
evil:
Evil dragons
super 17
hilde
janemba
buu
broly
cell
lord slug
geti star (metal cooler/freezer)
cooler/freezer (depends what country you watch what name he has)
king cold
metal freeza (cyborg freeza)
freeza
napa
raditz (he could have been just as strong as goku if he had goku's determination to be the strongest/best, in the crib he was scaled higher then goku)
another thing, broly's rage in the game isn't cause because goku cried, but because he himself cried, his power level was 10,000 when born, goku's was 10,
but he made broly cry, because goku was so selfassured, goku send out a vibe that told the other baby's i'm not afraid of anybody that is stronger. (watch the shit and you know i'm right)
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Post by Tribute fan on Oct 31, 2004 20:42:34 GMT -5
I dont believe that lord slug is stronger then geti. Though i havent kept up with the series that well i remember Z fighters beating lord slug with less problems then they did with geti.
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Post by tavien on Oct 31, 2004 21:14:52 GMT -5
I dont believe that lord slug is stronger then geti. Though i havent kept up with the series that well i remember Z fighters beating lord slug with less problems then they did with geti. ya slug wasnt that strong freeza is much much stronger. Slug was beating by goku who was a pre (dija or whatever) ss.
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Post by Zarmat on Nov 2, 2004 16:13:35 GMT -5
vegito wud be stronger if the fusion was performed by the 2 at the same time period since earing fusion is a more powerful fusion method
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Post by nickel501 on Nov 2, 2004 17:57:38 GMT -5
Well that and vegito could then go ss4 at least I think so..
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Post by Zarmat on Nov 2, 2004 17:59:05 GMT -5
if goku and vegeta cud, or one of them cud, i'll imagine so
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Post by nickel501 on Nov 2, 2004 18:02:00 GMT -5
Well I think it would have to be both since its both of them.. or maybe you wouldnt even have to be ss4 to do ss4 cause remember gotenks did ss3 and goten and trunks could only go ss
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legendz411
Super Saiyan
Mystic Super Sayian is the ability to fight at your maxium potential, without a transformation.
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Post by legendz411 on Nov 2, 2004 18:52:48 GMT -5
Base your Lists off of this. **Only to Kid buu, GT is another story -_- ****
http://www.myfavoritegames.com/dbz/power-levels(new).htm
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Post by CNukemR on Nov 2, 2004 19:01:06 GMT -5
eh i dont really care for all the numerical power levels that sites have.. if for no other reason because they dont take into account special abilites/attributes of said peoples..
(regen/tenacity/absorbing skills)
but (to a higher post) you think that supreme kai is stronger then gotenks? are you NUTS? the kai was weaker then goku in base form.. (and gohan..) and therefore gotenks should be much stronger
i would place him below goten and trunks but above the old/weak zfighters (tien yamcha roshi etc)
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legendz411
Super Saiyan
Mystic Super Sayian is the ability to fight at your maxium potential, without a transformation.
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Post by legendz411 on Nov 2, 2004 19:25:09 GMT -5
The specail abilities don't DIRECTLY correlate to someone's PL. Example: Buu's regen doesn't make his PL jump 500k everytime he uses it. If we are talking pure power then all spical abilites should be thrown aside. Otherwise it's not power levels and/or power at all. It is being interfered with by an outside varible.
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Curufinwe
Super Saiyan 2
P-O or Shrek are my name
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Post by Curufinwe on Nov 2, 2004 23:52:00 GMT -5
yep but example if you are the same streng or a bite stronger them buu you couldnt kill im you will finish by tire and not buu the only one who can macht buu in tenacity it broly but he cant regenerate in fake broly is never tire he becaume stronger during after and before the figth
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legendz411
Super Saiyan
Mystic Super Sayian is the ability to fight at your maxium potential, without a transformation.
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Post by legendz411 on Nov 3, 2004 4:52:43 GMT -5
You mean that someone with a 1mil PL gain on buu will still lose becuz of his regen??? Once again, that isn't true at all. Look at kid buu. He was stronger then EVERYONE. And what happened? Someone with a lower PL killed him. Granted it took him a few tries, but that's besides the point. To say, just because someone has a special ability, they are stronger isn't correct. You HAVE to base them on stable numerical values. It's the only way you can be anywhere CLOSE to being correct.
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Post by CNukemR on Nov 3, 2004 16:16:06 GMT -5
defends on how you define power i suppose...
when i am comparing to characters powers, I try to take everything about them (alone) into account..
goku vs buu (goku with max at ss3)... goku is weaker... buu wins.. goku vs buu (goku with SS4).. goku is stronger, but still might not be able to kill buu [regen] but if he uses some special skill [spirit bomb...] then mb he can]
which is why abilities should be considered obviously...
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PanicFire
Super Saiyan 2
Dabura King of Demons
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Post by PanicFire on Nov 3, 2004 16:47:00 GMT -5
lord slug was killed after freeza was.
you must consider that the saiyans get so much stronger that goku when he killed lord slug didn't have to go ss anymore to kill freeza. he was in his normal state the same power as he was when going ss with freeza. ppl normally forget that.
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