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Post by DeimnoVorokto on Dec 10, 2004 9:53:36 GMT -5
Maybe we will maybe we won't only time will show.
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Post by MysticGohan on Dec 10, 2004 11:38:06 GMT -5
Since some people have said something about mystic super saiyan i have to say this. In the Game gohan only has ss2 stacked with mystic. Wouldn't it make sense to let him have it to stack it with ss too. I know "mss" is fake. How will time show something like that if the series is over.  |
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Post by DeimnoVorokto on Dec 10, 2004 15:25:36 GMT -5
Since some people have said something about mystic super saiyan i have to say this. In the Game gohan only has ss2 stacked with mystic. Wouldn't it make sense to let him have it to stack it with ss too. I know "mss" is fake. How will time show something like that if the series is over. Maybe someone finds a site where it can tell us aLL. |
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Post by SBKKupan on Dec 11, 2004 16:53:40 GMT -5
then it would just be fake though. its finished, get over it!
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Post by CNukemR on Dec 12, 2004 9:06:52 GMT -5
My impression of Mystic: It's the same as the Unlocked Potential, except from a different source, with more "potential" unlocked. I would actually describe it a bit further than that: The saiyan transformations are "cheap" methods of getting stronger. It is better to have your natural body achieve that strength. This is the concept of the power curve and how transformations can become useless. Anyways, with that said, I think the unlocked potential/mystic trans are really the movement of power from your transformed states, into your active state. Hence you don't need to/is no gain from transformations, nor would you need to power up as much/at all. All your POTENTIAL power is now in your active state (physics potential -> actual energy). Mystic I assume unlocks a lot more, or maybe mystic transforms ALL potential -> active whereas unlock potential merely moves potential from your current state (power you can get from powering up, but not from transforming) into active power. When Gohan left the mystic early, he therefore didn't fully unlock his potential (which would mean he could transform into ss or ss2, or power up at least, for some gain, not sure which though). If he had finished, he still might be able to transform, but there would be no gain. That's all I have on that point, and we would need to delve further into what the transformations are and how they work before gaining a better understanding. |
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Post by MysticGohan on Dec 12, 2004 9:29:02 GMT -5
then it would just be fake though. its finished, get over it! Just because its fake doesn't mean you can't add some logic to it. |
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Post by mobby on Dec 12, 2004 10:09:52 GMT -5
Mystic Gohan was indubitably STRONGER than ss3 gotenks, ii've just watch the series a weak ago. ss3 Gotenks were in a fair fight with Super buu(That was kiding with them), when gohan arrived he fought seriously and got pwned, btw he dind't even hit gohan...
Gohan just turn a stupid nerd, and never fought again, but he was really strong anyway(then he stop training so he got weaker). ;D
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Post by unimatrixzer0 on Dec 12, 2004 10:13:16 GMT -5
Umm CNukemR the Elder Kai had been done 10 min before Gohan left the Kai planet. Yeah, in the original Japanese thats what he says anyways. Which is why they all fall backwards for their comic bit when he says that. But yeah short and sweet Mystic is being able to use your max power without transformations. Since Gohan was stronger than SS3 in his Mystic forum maybe that means he had the potential to reach the SS3 forum, but what the Kai basically did was help him cheat by releasing his powers without having to actuallly transform into SS3. I'm guessing it was only a temporary thing since he's pretty weak there after. Maybe getting obsorbed by Buu cancelled out the Kai's work just how Vegetto couldn't stay fused inside of Buu. |
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Post by MysticGohan on Dec 12, 2004 10:14:48 GMT -5
I don't think that its Gohan that got weaker. I think everyone else just got stronger. I dont think a saiyan can lose power.
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Post by unimatrixzer0 on Dec 12, 2004 10:16:38 GMT -5
I don't think that its Gohan that got weaker. I think everyone else just got stronger. I dont think a saiyan can lose power. Well I'm not saying he got weaker, just like he has a hard time reaching SS2 again in the Buu saga, his power is still there, he just can't use it. |
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Post by MysticGohan on Dec 12, 2004 10:22:13 GMT -5
Hmm i was replying to mobby saying "Gohan just turn a stupid nerd, and never fought again, but he was really strong anyway(then he stop training so he got weaker).;D"
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Post by unimatrixzer0 on Dec 12, 2004 10:26:05 GMT -5
Hmm i was replying to mobby saying "Gohan just turn a stupid nerd, and never fought again, but he was really strong anyway(then he stop training so he got weaker).;D" Oh, hehe. Yeah, I don't think they can get weaker, just maybe lose their ability to fully control their kai as well and use their full potential at their various trans. |
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Post by DaRkSilence on Dec 12, 2004 13:00:58 GMT -5
if you think about it, vegeta took 5 years to reach gohans level and a bit higher, well say 3 years for arguments sake. thats how powerfull gohan got. He has the potential to be the strongest ever but he doesnt like fighting hes not a pure blooded sayian like goku and vegeta so he doesnt crave it. He had mystic training because gohan has a potential far greater than any other fighter. in the frieza saga i believe the elder said something along the lines of, your powers are the greatest i have ever felt. and in the cell saga he learned how to tap into this potential. He stopped fighting for 5 years and got weaker, vegeta and goku surpassed him then but if he kept training hed be stronger than all of them put together. Thats why little gohan got a lot stronger than goku in the hypo chamber. basically it took gohan 1 year to become stronger than everyone. he took on a perfect form frieza when he got mad and pwned him harrrrd but because he couldnt tap into his powers he couldnt sustain it and it only ever happened in short bursts
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Post by SBKKupan on Dec 12, 2004 17:20:47 GMT -5
I think the trans are "boosts" so SS mystic gohan would completely own SS3 gotenks, not just making more energy usefull!
I don't believe Gohan got weaker, he is the same, just cant fully tap the hidden powers again - like when he was younger, he couldn't use it properly.
Yes he got a lot stronger than the others, but Goku used his time training Gohan for that exact purpose, I think Goku would have been way stronger if they trained seperately.
Indeed the elder kai said that, and is somewhat true. But like you said, he doesn't wanna be that person.
I think the reason Goku surpasses them is just because he is better, doesn't matter if Gohan has all those hidden talents, Goku caught up, fast, and godt way better. Gohan had trouble becoming SS after he became the bookworm, he neede psychic help from his Dad. or somit - can't completely remember.
Lost my point somewhere, hope that all makes sense:D
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Post by Guest on Dec 12, 2004 20:57:25 GMT -5
What are u talking about the psychic link think to go super sayin when did that happen
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