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Dec 16, 2004 13:13:12 GMT -5
Post by Obsidian Samurai on Dec 16, 2004 13:13:12 GMT -5
Fearing the Lord is basically respecting God. God's a good guy, but fearing him means you know you can suffer a wrath if you reject Him.
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Dec 16, 2004 16:45:29 GMT -5
Post by dmagus5152 on Dec 16, 2004 16:45:29 GMT -5
God was never born... he just exists. He's always existed, never born. There's no start to him. Its scary, if you think of it. Imagine that you were never created, but you are. That clashes with science, i guess... its a weird concept, right? It's hard to understand, just like the three-persons thing is.... god, jesus, and holy spirit are one person. I dont understand how this works, but i guess that its beyond my comprehension.... BTW, that definition of that second law... i searched it up on google, and there are some sites with the exact words on there. Don't ask me, though, maybe thats how you were taught. Obsidian Samurai is right, it just means you know you'll suffer god's wrath if you reject him. Think of it as a healthy fear. Just as you fear your earthly father's wrath, thats how you fear god.
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Dec 16, 2004 17:16:45 GMT -5
Post by Kenshin on Dec 16, 2004 17:16:45 GMT -5
ok, ignoring what dmagus5152 just said... obsidian, you just pretty much accepted that god IS evil. there is no way around the question i just asked you. if god WAS good, then you shouldn't fear him. no matter what you say about respect or nothing, if you fear someone, there's something wrong. i mean would you rather have friends you fear/respect, or that you know will never do anything to you...?
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Dec 16, 2004 18:20:45 GMT -5
Post by Obsidian Samurai on Dec 16, 2004 18:20:45 GMT -5
Actually Kenshin, Two of us have explained it in several posts.
I wish we lived in a world where you could know friends wouldn't do anything to you.
Let's apply this like what dmagus said: Fearing God is like how you would fear your father. You love your father and your father loves you (hopefully). But, you also know that if you do something wrong or reject what he says, you will receive discipline.
I have a question for you. If you think God is evil, tell me 3 instances in which He has done something evil to you; and please, make them worth reading. I don't want any half-wit or dumbass answers.
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Dec 17, 2004 1:00:07 GMT -5
Post by Kenshin on Dec 17, 2004 1:00:07 GMT -5
specifically to me...
assuming god makes pretty much defines my life, as in what will happen to me and all...
first, i got my fucking $3,000 computer stolen! that was within less than i year when my mom bought it for me. they stole it 12th of august at midnight, my fucking birthday was about 2 months from that date, you can imagine how FUCKING great i passed that day!
along with that, my ps2, gamecube, and over 15 games in total with both systems got stolen that SAME fucking day! the police didn't do shit! they never found anything or crap.
last year i was accused of fucking hacking at my school. all i did was stay after school to work on a powerpoint, and BAM, they fuck up my studies with some bullshit! they gave me 30 days in guidance center (like were they send kids that do drugs and carry weapons to school and shit, but it wasn't juby...) that FUCKED me up BAD. i failed ALL of my second semester classes! i was supposed to be a senior this year, that totally fucked me up, now i have to struggle to try and graduate this year, early. i'm a damn junior again...
those two would've made anyone go fucking crazy, that's more than anything that ever happened to Holden Caufield, i almost went trough a mental breakdown... i identify myself with that guy a lot.
now, what other fucked up shit can i tell you? oh, did i mention when my mom's friend robbed the store my mom was a manager of, stealing a bank bag with over $2000? yeah, that was pretty much money that my mom had saved to buy me another PC, and BAM, it's taken away from me like a bitch. my mom had to pay the fucking company the $2,000 just because she was manager, even though she hadn't been in htat office for over a week!
to this day i haven't been able to save at least one fucking thousand dollars for a decent comp, now you tell me that isn't fucked up?!?!?!!!!!
about the father thing. i'll leave it as this: i don't have a father, but if i had a choice, i'd MUCH rather have a father who treats me like his friend, takes me out to fish, hunt, and do stuff, and that hangs out with me, than one that i know is "strict" or will hit me or something...
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Dec 17, 2004 1:26:47 GMT -5
Post by Millions on Dec 17, 2004 1:26:47 GMT -5
as a kid that gos to the "academy for delinquents" i hear u th e worlds fucked up
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Dec 17, 2004 2:21:28 GMT -5
Post by MysticGohan not logged in on Dec 17, 2004 2:21:28 GMT -5
If bad things happened to someone, life would suck. Im just wondering if all this is true. I have learned over the years to put little trust into what people say.....Don't worry im not calling you a liar kenshin, but you joke around alot.
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Dec 17, 2004 2:30:58 GMT -5
Post by nickel501 on Dec 17, 2004 2:30:58 GMT -5
I have a question to ask you, why is it you believe your religion is true and all others are wrong? Why is it you think you are so wrong while other religions could not possibly be right? Why is it buudism or something of that sort can't be right?
I know you didn't say all this directly but from what I have read it looks like you would feel this way
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Dec 17, 2004 13:08:06 GMT -5
Post by Obsidian Samurai on Dec 17, 2004 13:08:06 GMT -5
I do feel sorry for you Kenshin, that is, if what you say is true, but how can you blame that on God? If you're having a crappy day, try asking God for help and not just blaming him for every damn thing that happens to you.
Fathers aren't heavenly guys who make their children's life a heaven. Every dad has a wrath if you do something wrong that they do not approve of.
And the reason I do not believe other religions are right is because nothing in them can be proven. Christianity can be, however. Evolution, Christianity's arch rival, is no more than a theory; none of it can be proven. What they think is evolution is the human species adapting to climates. That is our immune system kicking in, not us evolving.
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Dec 17, 2004 13:16:23 GMT -5
Post by Kenshin on Dec 17, 2004 13:16:23 GMT -5
hey gohan, all of that which i mentioned before is VERY true. i may joke around a lot, but that is true.
and i personally don't turst people anymore, my mom as you read, has been betrayed by her friends about twice, and i have also been backstabbed several times. that's why i don't trust anyone...
and yeah obsidian, nickel is right. as i said, you can't be 100% SURE that your religion is right, you just got to "believe" it is. you never know if mormons are correct, or if buddists are... they all believe in it SO strongly, and SWARE they have had "religious" experiences, that it means there is a LOT of liars in the world!
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Dec 17, 2004 13:24:13 GMT -5
Post by Kenshin on Dec 17, 2004 13:24:13 GMT -5
i didn't see your post, but to what you just said...
about me blaming god... that's not exactly true. as i said god pretty much defines our lives. which means everything that happens to us is done by him.
oh and i'm not having a bad day, if you read correctly, this has happened to me over several years, all my life...
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Dec 17, 2004 14:08:00 GMT -5
Post by DeimnoVorokto on Dec 17, 2004 14:08:00 GMT -5
specifically to me... assuming god makes pretty much defines my life, as in what will happen to me and all... first, i got my fucking $3,000 computer stolen! that was within less than i year when my mom bought it for me. they stole it 12th of august at midnight, my fucking birthday was about 2 months from that date, you can imagine how FUCKING great i passed that day! along with that, my ps2, gamecube, and over 15 games in total with both systems got stolen that SAME fucking day! the police didn't do shit! they never found anything or crap. last year i was accused of fucking hacking at my school. all i did was stay after school to work on a powerpoint, and BAM, they fuck up my studies with some bullshit! they gave me 30 days in guidance center (like were they send kids that do drugs and carry weapons to school and shit, but it wasn't juby...) that FUCKED me up BAD. i failed ALL of my second semester classes! i was supposed to be a senior this year, that totally fucked me up, now i have to struggle to try and graduate this year, early. i'm a damn junior again... those two would've made anyone go fucking crazy, that's more than anything that ever happened to Holden Caufield, i almost went trough a mental breakdown... i identify myself with that guy a lot. now, what other fucked up shit can i tell you? oh, did i mention when my mom's friend robbed the store my mom was a manager of, stealing a bank bag with over $2000? yeah, that was pretty much money that my mom had saved to buy me another PC, and BAM, it's taken away from me like a bitch. my mom had to pay the fucking company the $2,000 just because she was manager, even though she hadn't been in htat office for over a week! to this day i haven't been able to save at least one fucking thousand dollars for a decent comp, now you tell me that isn't fucked up?!?!?!!!!! about the father thing. i'll leave it as this: i don't have a father, but if i had a choice, i'd MUCH rather have a father who treats me like his friend, takes me out to fish, hunt, and do stuff, and that hangs out with me, than one that i know is "strict" or will hit me or something... Woah and I though my life shitty.
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Dec 17, 2004 14:40:12 GMT -5
Post by darkbebiss6 on Dec 17, 2004 14:40:12 GMT -5
do watever since have no answer to the first appl/fuirt create
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Dec 17, 2004 17:13:11 GMT -5
Post by dmagus5152 on Dec 17, 2004 17:13:11 GMT -5
Yes, Nickel is right... we are never sure that our religion is THE RELIGION. It's called faith... I'm sure any religious person knows that. Unless they have proof, which i would like to see
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Dec 17, 2004 17:14:47 GMT -5
Post by Obsidian Samurai on Dec 17, 2004 17:14:47 GMT -5
[glow=green,2,300]As it says in the Bible, you have a choice. God doesn't control your actions. He designs your soul, but it is you who makes the good/bad choices. If your theory was true, then repentance of sin would be impossible. I know serial (sp?) killers have turned from their ways because of Christianity. If what you said was true, he would've kept on killing no matter what.
This argument is becoming, and actually already is, pointless. Kenshin, I pity your poor, unknowing mind, but it doesn't look like what I or dmagus are saying is doing a bit of good. My observations of how you react to what I say show me that you are a self-centered child who when he doesn't get his way or someone proves him wrong, he throws fits.
My advice is to grow up. But I am out of this argument.[/glow]
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