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Post by bladedragon on Oct 23, 2004 15:08:35 GMT -5
pan a grandma lol. maybe that was DBAF. but yes DBAF is fake. based on fan art is'nt real and never will b. also if pan was grandma i'm not sure if any1 knows this but goku would still b alive (probly) most of u probly know but saiyans live A LOT longer then humans.
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Post by CNukemR on Oct 23, 2004 20:48:36 GMT -5
yeah i heard about the young goku/geta kids..
corny shit..
their best bet would be to traverse time BACKWARDS...
wayyy b4 bardock..
they can have the saiyans in their prime (b4 they forgot how to get ss or whatever) and b4 frieza's family became rulers..
(star wars style pre-episodes) darker story and character, with actual defeats, but the trans would probably be old.. sooo we would need some way to enliven the story.. plus would their be dballs?
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Post by nickel501 on Oct 23, 2004 21:54:14 GMT -5
I dont think there would be dballs because the saiyans didnt even know about nameks that far back and back then didnt they live on that planet with all those little humans that has lots of technology? So there wouldnt be that much possibilities of a story since they only got like 1 enemy and not much possibilities of power. But how did the saiyans die again? There was like two versions 1 from king kai or whatever his name is and from someone else one had to do with meteors or somethin
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Post by Kenshin on Oct 24, 2004 2:02:54 GMT -5
blade, believe me, it isn't dbaf. i can garantee you %100 that the episode was THE last episode of dbgt. you can download it from the net man. i got it from kazaa. but it's kinda sad that pan was barely being introduced in gt, and then BAM, she's old! but to tell you the turth, i'm not %100 sure if the old lady was pan, or her grandaughter or something, but it was LONG after goku and all the z guys died.
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Post by CNukemR on Oct 24, 2004 8:18:56 GMT -5
Well, from what i have gleaned from bardock and bebi... and im betting there is more..
the saiyans lived with the tuffles? for a while.. but eventually got sick of them or some such.. the tuffles had the tech, the saiyans were wild people, but could trans... game over..
but im betting there was a time when the saiyans werent under frieza's control (he had to set up his empire vader style...)
likewise if the saiyan race can have legends (of super saiyans... or whatever) there had to be a time when their race knew of them/had access to them..
likewise im sure the nameks may have had more history.. we could even go farther back and START with BUU! back when the kai's werent the uber wimps they were now..
it could be interesting...
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Post by MAC on Oct 24, 2004 9:07:17 GMT -5
...... SSJ levels and explinations....
Oozaru:
This stage is a saiya-jin's trump card, when all else fails this stage can boost a saiya-jin's power tremendously. To acheive this form, a saiya-jin must stare into the moon. If a saiya-jin doesnt have this form mastered, it is uncontrollable and in some cases the oozaru saiya-jin will destroy everything in its path.
In this stage:
- Grow tremendously. - Body resembles a monkey. - Muscles become alot bigger. - Power greatly boosted. - Brownish fur covers the entire body. - Saiya-jin's eyes become Red.
Who can do this: Any Saiy-jin
Sentouminzoku Saiya-jin:
This is a stage that a Saiya-jin reaches after a lost battle. They get a power increses and all attributes increase as well.
Who can do this: Every Saiyan
Giji SSJ:
The level that Son Goku reached in Movie 4. This stage is not a "real" SSJ stage, but it means the Saiya-jin's rage and other attributes are "within" the requirements, however, the person doesn't have enough power.
In this stage:
- Hair is uplifted but remains black. - Muscles increase. - Speed increases. - Full of rage.
Who can do this: Goku
Super Saiya-jin:
The very first stage of "SSJ". This was supposed to be the original SSJ stage but as time went by more was added. Son Goku was the first this stage during the furiza saga. When Goku first used this transformation it looked like his power increased by 15 times normal, but as time progressed the power surge wasn't as great. Goku reached the level first then Mirai Trunks showed up.
Reaching SSJ level:
- You have to have a desire to fight. - You have to have rage and anger. - Must have Saiya-jin blood.
In this stage:
- Attributes are increased. - Hair becomes golden, eyes are bluish green. - Saiya-jin gains more muscle mass.
Who can do this: Goku, Gohan, Vegeta, Trunks, Goten, Gotenks, Vegetto, Gogetta, Goku Jr, Vegeta Jr, Brolli
Ultra Super Saiya-jin or Ascended Super Saiya-jin:
There are two forms of Ultra Saiya-jin, the first form is a form used by Vegeta. While in this form he could power up passed a normal Super Saiya-jin and his muscles will increase and speed will slightly decrease but not that much. But the level trunks reached was a level that he could power up his muscles up to 4 times normal and speed will greatly decrease. The two of them achieved this level while training in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber..
In this stage:
- Same as SSJ. except muscles increase very greatly and speed decreases tremendously.
Super Saiya-jin 2:
This was the stage Gohan first reached to defeat Cell. Gohan had the power inside he just didn't know how to release it, but when it came out he shocked everyone!
In this stage:
- Hair is golden but a lighter shade and more erect. - Streaks of silver lighting engulfs the body. - Attributes are increased greatly compared to that of an Super Saiya-jin. - Cannot retain this form for a long time. Probably about 2 hours. - This level is achieved through training and mostly rage.
Who can do this: Gohan, Gogetta
Super Saiya-jin 3:
"The level beyond the level beyond SSJ" as Goku calls it and he's the only non-fused Saiya-jin to reach this level. In this form time flies faster for the warrior that uses it.
In this stage:
- Hair is golden and it grows to about the knee area. - Aura surronds the body. - Eyebrows dissappear. - Face looks leaner, bigger muscles but a more leaner look. - Cannot retain this form for very long. (close to an hour) - Attributes increase alot more than SSJ 2.
Who can do this: Son Goku, Gotenks.
Super Saiya-jin 4:
This is said to be the legendary form. It was achieved first by Son Goku in DBGT. He achieved this form through sorrow; which appears to be why people achieve this level. Vegeta achieved it through a brute ray gun Bulma invented.
In this stage:
- Hair is brownish and grows out longer. - Eyes become light brown. - Muscles become alot bigger. - Attributes increase for more than an SSJ 3. - Reddish fur covers the torso area of the Saiya-jin. - Saiya-jin grows a tail if one is not already present. - Attributes increase more than that of an SSJ 3, but may speed decrease.
Who can do this: Goku, Vegeta(with ray gun)
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Post by MAC on Oct 24, 2004 9:12:24 GMT -5
I probably typed some things incorrectly. Wouldn't mind others coming in and fixing some of the translations at all. Hope it still helps people understand the SSJ
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Post by nickel501 on Oct 24, 2004 11:27:11 GMT -5
oh yea now i remember like after every battle and they lose they become stronger wierd... all the way back to buu hmmm... sounds promising but how did kias beat kid buu? cause arnt they weak?
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Post by bladedragon on Oct 24, 2004 12:12:29 GMT -5
1st off it's every battle they grow stronger doesn't matter who wins or loses a saiyan can win a battle and get stronger. Goku got ussj in time chamber showing gohan but goku realized that it was slow and did'nt use it against cell. gogeta and gohan weren't the only ssj2 goku got ssj2 vegeta got ssj2 in GT goten&trunks (older) get ssj2.
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Post by Zarmat on Oct 24, 2004 12:49:58 GMT -5
is that a certain thing, i never go off wat was in gt, i swear the makers of gt never really understood how super saiyan transformations worked
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Post by Chungster on Oct 24, 2004 13:13:10 GMT -5
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Post by swartznator on Oct 24, 2004 19:50:57 GMT -5
There is a real Dragonball AF but its story was so bad that the japanese took it off the air quickly. A SS5 did exist but after seeing how bad the people thought of it the creators quickly took it off the air and got ride of the copies of it. DRAGONBALL AF and SS5 did exist but they were viewed as too stupid to keep and they were gotten ride of.
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Post by Zarmat on Oct 25, 2004 5:32:51 GMT -5
never exist, the ppl who made db said that af was fake and fan made, so i dunno where u been gettin ya facts from, also yea pan was a grandma and there was a special on it, not a gud one but s special non the less
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Post by CNukemR on Oct 25, 2004 6:47:27 GMT -5
There is a real Dragonball AF but its story was so bad that the japanese took it off the air quickly. A SS5 did exist but after seeing how bad the people thought of it the creators quickly took it off the air and got ride of the copies of it. DRAGONBALL AF and SS5 did exist but they were viewed as too stupid to keep and they were gotten ride of. got proof Mr.Guest man?
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Post by Kenshin on Oct 25, 2004 16:35:16 GMT -5
thxs for the support there jiraiya ;D i really have absolutely no care for dbz anymore, so i have no sources.
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