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Post by eav on Oct 22, 2004 17:35:47 GMT -5
I open this Thread for some ideas for my own i find every 2 days when i play the game. Ideas: - A block time for bodys which Bebi release. The overtooked body need some seconds 20 or so to come back to his mind - Bebi cant take over bodys he released or was whiped out for 1 minute, so he cant retake the body if he is weakened and heal him - A new System for dbs. There only some places where they spawn, they spawn there randomly but i ever know where i have to take a look - The Bug of Cell Juniors must be fixed, when bebi take over cell when he left or so, he cant summon good juniors, the juniors ever have level 1 uninteresting which level the overtaken Cell is -Some PowerUps in some Quests when a special char finish it, like Vegeta when he kill Raditz and Nappa because they have been is comrades or whatever - Something must be done about the DATAS for Cooler Like a Processing Time to use the Data, because when i play cooler i begin to collect all datas at startup and after the 2.nd data i can kill all z warrior easily the game ends in less then 8 minutes, that not a good thing i would say - You could add a time machine to cell start point because he already arrived with one - Cell should have Solar Flare he also used it in the Cell Saga - Players which Leave at the beginning of the map should get removed from game, its to easy to absorb them with level 1 it destroys the game - Somebody should be done about the effect of ss aura and so on, you have about 8 seconds until the aura disappears so you can have a extra power up for some moments - In Mystic Training Gohan should have 0 mana because with spell he can finish the targets much faster - The Repair Spell of Geti Star Workers should be done as a normal builder repair function and not a spell, its to effective in this way for the start - Something should be done about that Bebi can get the Power Ups for Piccollo only by leaving the body in the area and then retake him, it was the easiest way to this fusion for picco but i think thats a bit to easy for bebi - Android 17 and 18 should run around the area not only c17 this small way, i mean a bigger area its to easy to get c17 and c18, or they should spawn randomly on the map, and if this is fact the "locate" option of cell should be not so precise it should use the normal Mark Sign - The Shadow Dragon Saga: The Ice and Fire Dragons should have a bigger distance in capital this way buu or piccollo can kill 2 with their ultimate very easy - Instand Teleport should be disabled if Goku or Cell only have 5% or 10% of her Health. Because they would be to weak to concentrate and it would prevent goku from use solar flare then get away and teleport - When Vegeta get overtaken by Babidi he should not be able to remove control, and he shouldnt get view of Babidi, its stupid y should he able to see him ? he cant sense babidi, he only hear his voice - When Cell dies at levle 50 he should do a explosion (10 seconds countdown) and make some area damage around, like he wanted to do in the Cell Saga - Gogeta should be able to use Instant Transmission, because his main profile is from Goku, Vegito dont need it because his main profile is Vegeta - Piccolo shouldnt start with Goku and the other Z Warrior he should start at the Lookout or so, its more like him, then to stay with the other Z Warrior - I didnt tested yet if Bebi can overtake fusions but if yes, the fusion should work a bit longer like when Bebi get Gotenks Gotenks exist about 5 minutes, then he split and Bebi get driven out. But he shouldnt be able to take over Gogeta or ss4 Gogeta this body would have to many Power that he couldnt Control it like Bebi cant use Vegeta as SS4 - The Unlock Potential should be removed, its really useless, because the time it take for gohan to get there and to get the power, or it has to be make stronger - The Skills of Gohan and Gotenks must be removed or edited so that the Host dont begin to lag when Gohan use Scattershot or Gotenks use his Spell -The effect of Curse from the level 21 Creeps should be weakenend a bit its really shity to make so many misses - When Super Buu get Kid Buu he should get instant transmission but edited one that he can only teleport to the citys, because he sense many powers there - Some more Abilties to Tourney would be good its really hmm ........... if you fight tournemant nothing happens and so on, and to fight mr.satan sometimes would be really funny ^^ - Videl and Chi-Chi should be added =) as a bit making the map nicer with a house somewhere - When a Tourney fighter win a Tourney he Should auto use the Trophy so it get really hard to win tourney =) - About Hildegarn and Janemba (2.nd form each), they shouldnt teleport into hell or heaven thats not funny, and it really sucks when he is near death he often teleport to another - Also some Trigger Should be added that when a player leave he dont have to be killed to win - After some rounds of getting dbs some "cracked dragonballs" appears, i would say if you collect 6 of them you get a sensu or so =) only because some funny guys dont understand y they are called "cracked" and collect them =)
So That was is for today i will add some more stuff when i can think straight again =)
-how higher the Level of the Hero he has, have, so easier he can driven out like:
Vegeta level 10 : must be down 1000 HP Vegeta level 50 : must be down 5000 HP
Something Like that, because so higher the Power Level of a Char is so harder it get to Control the Unit, because this he cant control Vegeta SS4 and so he dont use it
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Post by Krillen on Oct 22, 2004 18:19:32 GMT -5
i agree with the bebi take over...there should be a period of max 5 mins that bebi can be in someones mind
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Post by eav on Oct 22, 2004 18:27:07 GMT -5
i only said this to fusion in the others he must be able to stay. New Idea look upper Post
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Post by eav on Oct 22, 2004 18:58:47 GMT -5
I heard many wanted something to get @ Level 100 so i give you some Ideas. It would take to long to explain everything ask if you dont understand what i mean with the names =)
If you all think about something happens when a CHAR reaches Level 100, how would it be if you can choose between 2 things: Some Ideads for Choosen Things: - Mastery of SS ( Power UP of SS in all Transformations so if you go SS4 you also get ss Power) (Gohan & Goku) - Mastery of SS2 (MSS2) ( Gohan) - Hell Tournemant ( Special Tourney which you can only join 1 time and get a special item or so) (each Char levle 100) - Prince of Sayajin (Small Power UP / Speed UP) (Vegeta) - Perfection of Fusion (Longer Fusion / Smaller Fusion Costs)( Gogeta / Gotenks) - Memories of Coming Future (Power Up) ( Future Trunks) - Strength of all Nameks ( Power UP)( Piccolo) - Concentration ( Less Mana needed for Transforms) ( Gotenks) - Perfect Regeneration ( smaller Cooldown of Regenration) (Cell / Kid Buu) - Instant Transmission + Sense (get Abilities) ( Kid Buu) - Memories of Childhood (Speed UP +Damage Powerup) (Broly) - Cleared Mind (Power UP / Better HP Regenration) (Bebi) - Global Analyze (Extra Data if have FULL Data else Higher Resources from Mines) (Geti Star Fragment)
So here only some Ideas =)
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Post by CNukemR on Oct 22, 2004 19:25:29 GMT -5
Ok I'm only going to respond to ideas I dont like.. The rest have been covered or I like... 20 is too long, make it... 5-10 tops.. likewise a minute might be a bit much, and ACTUALLY it should only prevent the RETAKING of body (thus if he is forced out of body of trunks BY goku, he COULD pop out and take dumb goku ) Dballs will get more and more random as we go on... the way its workign now is quite good, we just need to increase range/randomness (dont worry about it) - You could add a time machine to cell start point because he already arrived with one (used to be future trunks ship there, but it was decidely pointless...) - Cell should have Solar Flare he also used it in the Cell Saga (you want to make CELL STRONGER? GAHHHHH) - Players which Leave at the beginning of the map should get removed from game, its to easy to absorb them with level 1 it destroys the game (not removed.. sent to heavan at best... buuuut this SUCKS for buu, and is HORRIBLE for geti [as he is now with incomplete sets..]) 60 seconds into game? or not there at start, sent to heavan.. though is ok... - Somebody should be done about the effect of ss aura and so on, you have about 8 seconds until the aura disappears so you can have a extra power up for some moments (no NO NO, this is true NOW [2-3 seconds] and people are freaking over the ability to stack the power by typing.. 'ss3 ss4 ss3 ss4 ss3 ss4 ss3 ss4' gag) (or make targets magic immune) (do you think bebi SHOULD or SHOULDNT be able to get unit powerups [he gets the trans, why cant he get upgrades?] including mystic kamicollo trunks sword..) i would like to see ANY locating skill (sense/scan/locate) to be changed to give a directional area [shockwave heading from char to direction of unit] rather then any pings.. friggin overpowered to know where they are... Spread out the dragons, and give them some unique skills, and terrain..? - When Vegeta get overtaken by Babidi he should not be able to remove control, and he shouldnt get view of Babidi, its stupid y should he able to see him ? he cant sense babidi, he only hear his voice (vegeta shouldnt get view of babidi [hell i didnt think he DID get view..] but babidi never HAD control of vegeta (note babidi cant SUMMON vegeta)... soo its kinda realistic in that sense.. i dont know that bebi cant take vegeta as ss4.. i dont get where that came from, but taking fusions is an iffy thing at all which i will leave for later (idea for bebi though, thanks) items are being redone/removed in favor of stat giving... (soo potential would jus GIVE you 20 dmg or whatever..) -The effect of Curse from the level 21 Creeps should be weakenend a bit its really shity to make so many misses(have to say.. THANK GOD SOMEONE ELSE AGREES! gag, and the rain of fire from the super troopers..) - When Super Buu get Kid Buu he should get instant transmission but edited one that he can only teleport to the citys, because he sense many powers there (only cities.. y? super buu could get it from eating gogeta (with insta trans) or goku as well) - Also some Trigger Should be added that when a player leave he dont have to be killed to win (mentioned elsewhere to remove them/send them to heavan/hell) - After some rounds of getting dbs some "cracked dragonballs" appears, i would say if you collect 6 of them you get a sensu or so =) only because some funny guys dont understand y they are called "cracked" and collect them =) (i do its because they are fun to have [when you shouldnt be able to) on a side note when they appear the dballs should vanish (normal balls are REPLACED by cracked..) uh, i think you have this last part backwards.. you would want the lvl 10 to have to be knocked down to (using percents..) 10% or 500 dmg, and the lvl 50 to be kncoked down to... 5% or {with much higher health} 500 dmg but we dont want to make it impossible for bebi to take bodies (if he can get vegeta ss4 to 10% hp he earned his damn body..) and if we do this, we would have to add something like that for bebi...(stronger he gets, the easier it gets to body ppl)
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eav
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Post by eav on Oct 22, 2004 19:27:02 GMT -5
Here Comes Some more Stuff:
- Kid Buu should lose all his absorbs from Super Buu but should be able to absorb again (Only Problem how can get the Guys out of him, killing 50 Cells useless =P ) - Items get lost in Super Buu if he absorb somebody like db when he absorb somebody, this item should went in Buus inventory or get randomly send to the Map - Goku should be able to cast Genkidama, it should have long casting time, but great damage and a really long cooldown, then if its casted Goku can move again and use it in a time of 1 minute or so then the energy disappers - Super Buu's Cell Counter should go slowly back to 0 when nobody get absorbed, because ehm cells also regenerate =P - Gotenks and Great Sayaman should be able to absorb, if you absorb Great Sayaman you get Gohans Power and if you absorb gotenks the Power of the 2 kids - Super Buu should get some abilties if he absorb somebody like Kameha or so - There should be some Power Ups if somebody special dies while another special char is near, like when Piccollo dies and Gohan is near, he get XP Boost and Rage for a moment - i dont know if this can be really done, but how lower % health you have so longer it take to cast a spell, because its really hard to concentrate on a technique when you are damn hurt =P - Some Spells should have a small Casting Time and should be able to cancel if you attack the Casting Person
Thats it for now
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Post by CNukemR on Oct 22, 2004 19:42:15 GMT -5
- Kid Buu should lose all his absorbs from Super Buu but should be able to absorb again
hmm although i like this (especially if kid buu can eat them) he should retain SOME of the power (for each absor give him a 50 dmg perm boost?)
(Only Problem how can get the Guys out of him, killing 50 Cells useless =P )
useless why? there is a glitch i think with vegeta.. ill have to check, but otherwise it usualyl works.. if you have more thoughts surrounding buu and his absorbs, fill free to start a raging debate in ideas or general section..
the item loss is an OLD event, that gotenkz hasnt fixed yet, in generaly because it isnt tooo common oddly enough (buu's dont eat the right people, or sumthing)
Spirit Bomb HAS been QUITE debated, and i THINK its coming in v9, but no guarantees, the balance for it is SCARY
Cell counter to 0, AND/OR the more people that are eaten, create more/higher cell count needed (the more you eat the more acid your stomach shoots out...)
more absorbs are needed, yes, BUT, for temp fusions would the gotenks power change to the weaker kid powers? (should) saiyaman SHOULDNT be what he is.... i HOPE to get that changed.. .GRRRR
- Super Buu should get some abilties if he absorb somebody like Kameha or so
this was considered before and was decided that buu gets their POWER not their skills or knowledge, BUT geti star COULD get some skills via data...
- There should be some Power Ups if somebody special dies while another special char is near, like when Piccollo dies and Gohan is near, he get XP Boost and Rage for a moment
This was in a few rampages.. (Gohan SON NOOOOO) and isnt a bad idea (only if we remove the inactive players..) in that, family deaths give boosts, and hopefully we can add small mini quests.. (piccolo go find cell/cinematic..) (majin vegeta, go kill goku)
UNLESS we make spells completely driven by triggers that wont be the EASIEST thing.. (i dont think) but, we COULD create a small trigger, that would PAUSE they unit for a brief duration b4 spells, but i think this would be MUCH more trouble then its worth...
and i remember piccolo shooting beams onearmed, and goku shooting kameha's when horribly beaten... not that big a factor i dont think
which spells? (hopefully some of the bigger spells will be made cinematic style.. and these could be them... but yes kame COULD be an interruptable spell, but then it needs more range and seeking...
i can keep this up for forever some good ideas and i know you are shooting them out as you think of them, but if any are really important put some more thought into the effect it will have on the game/balance (spirit bomb.. cough cough) as well as more on how it could be implemented and why
but good stuff, keep it coming
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eav
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Post by eav on Oct 22, 2004 19:46:42 GMT -5
CNukem Bulma made the theorie that Bebi thought he couldn't control Vegeta SS4 Form, in the DBGT Shadow Dragon Saga. Vegeta asked here y Bebi only went to Goozaru and not so SS4
- Ehm Solar Flare to Cell yes, i would say and remove Gohans technique i can't remember Cell ever used this Spell , but i can recognize that he used Solar Flare to escape from the Z Warrior - The FireRain of the Super Troopers really sucks, ehm it does good damage could this be i never look exactly but it ever take good health away from me. I would say the spells could be removed from the Creeps, and how would it be with another wave of creeps the levle 21 creeps get really easy later - i would say how would it be if vegeta only get the Power of Babidi and Babidi the View of him nothing else
- Super Buu could get it from Goku but i would say he didnt used it, so but kid buu used in the saga, and Gogeta should have Instant Transmission like i said, but i think Gogeta would really be to Strong to Absorb so Buu would get nothing from him
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Post by eav on Oct 22, 2004 20:04:23 GMT -5
Ohh, i thing i forgot - The Power of the Cells inside Buu should increase with the Level of Super Buu - The DBs should Disappear after 1 more Summon after the Shadow Dragon Saga, because after the Last Wish Shenron decided to never come back and left with Goku, the End of the DBGT Saga
I Will Post my Ideas, such stuff comes in my mind when i play the map a bit to often a day ^^ or better Host to often =) Record 3 days : 90 Hosts
If you think i dont think about the stuff you are wrong.
Spirit Bomb would be a Idea, because if somebody of the evils get to strong this could be a chance to win the game. But it would be neccesary for many triggers,i must really say. The Spirit Bomb could get a controlled unit when its casted and moved slowly, it can stay 1 minutes or so when its not used then the energy disappears. The could be taken also some energy from allies heros if they allow it , so they get a small window where they can decide yes or no or type it in chat window. I know thats really big but its would really change the game feeling for later version =). My Intetions for Spirit Bomb: -Cast time 1 Minute -Taking Energy from allies if allow, this decide the Power of the Spirit Bomb - if Goku get attacked the Casting get stopped if he get attacked longer then 15 seconds the casting calncels - Goku cant attack or anything else while he cast - Cooldown of 5 minutes or 10 minutes - The minumum Power of SpiritBomb based on Gokus Power and using Transformation - Spirit Bomb can be first used from level 20 - All Evils get a Message that somebody is hording a Big Mass of Energy, and a Area Mark on the Map
These are my first ideas i have for this in this moment
So i think that has been enough Ideas and Posts for the first day i'm registered =)
I hoped i did good work and you like it. I also hope this help you to make DBZ Tribute Ultra better =), i like to help. and like to help you because i like the Map. If you need help ask, else its ok but i will post new ideas
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Post by CNukemR on Oct 22, 2004 20:32:19 GMT -5
So its a theory not a FACT... wouldnt that imply bebi simply COULDNT body anyone capable of ss4? but isnt that dependant on bebi's power? (trunks was able to force him out, but later fell prey?) cell is too strong already.. giving him a stun(and i HATE stuns) would make gim sick (with mass of jrs? CMON DUDE) IF/when cell gets revamped then ill talk (mainly it SUCKS for geti star workers.. and is useless against everyone else..) [rain of fire] yeah, adding a few more creep waves could be god (dragon creeps meeep!) Majin powerup should be permament (its an Evil unlock potential after all..) but yes, vegeta never really showed any interest in babidi or his location (nor the ability to find out) whereas babidi obviosuly was aware of their powers/locations (give babidi sense?) [sent spokvich to tourney, knew they were strong, sensed vegeta... etc) Are we going by series or logic? take your pick, but you are right super buu DID have goku in his stomach (though not under his control, which may be the defining point..) Again, the ability to absorb (and hold) someone or body and control them SHOULD be totally dependant on the power of the 2 people... if kid buu has 2K dmg, and gogeta is a pansy at 500 dmg (ewwww) then gogeta can be eaten (nuff said) BUT likewise I want to see the BONUS from absorbs, be dependant on the power of the absorbee.. soo eating weaklings is mainly a waste... (which is why im slighty against adding another way out of belly) BUt we could change conditions for absorb.. as in... you could remove ability and/or give option... to auto absorb if you would have killed someone (rather then quibbling over what number.. jus make buu have to kill them) but we can also add a trigger to make sure buu did a certain % of the dmg (to prevent gay chance absorbs...) (though buu COULD do this, it shouldnt be auto) Yes, cells MUST be based oin POWER of buu (not level... exactly.. but stats) Good idea I suppose, should we create a scenario or trigger to summon the dragons in which teh shadow dragon STARTS? or not... also, that was WHICH set of dballs? (guru/dende/kami/kamicolo each had a set...) (kamicollo=blackstar) each of which could be added to this map for MAD chaos... or they could swap over time (some are better.. black strongest.. then guru or dende[forget which] then kami...) 90 hosts? or 90 games? (you know what i mean..) sicko not that you dont think.. persey (i do the same thing, if i get TOOO into sumthing its in my head for hours.. or days.. till i grab a notepad and WRITE WRITE WRITE.. it hurts) but the stating of many of these ideas seem to be brainstorm style, without refinement, which, like i said was fine/GREAT since thats what we need, what i meant was, if any of these are important/complex ideas you care about, fill free to develop them more (in new/appropriate threads..) Spirit Bomb is an idea, that has been hammered on for a bit, i think i saved the post in the Junk section: dbgotenkz.proboards34.com/index.cgi?board=junk&action=display&thread=1098216740dbgotenkz.proboards34.com/index.cgi?board=junk&action=display&thread=1098216711but fill free to revive it if you come up with more (good) ideas or a new/different idea.. do you have AOLIM? (instant messenger?) if so we could take the time to really hammer on some of these topics without working this this poor medium, and to avoid being laughed at by everyone if not ah well, i can live through some laughter (that goes for anyone if they need someoen to bounce an idea around with... dbz related or not... im good for arguing with so long as i know a little about it)
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Post by eav on Oct 22, 2004 20:46:02 GMT -5
hmmm i use MSN , ICQ and have AIM but no account i dont like this tool that much , i also dont like ICQ but many guys want to talk. You can tell me if you have icq or so and send me a pm with it or i will take a look to create a AIM account
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Curufinwe
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Post by Curufinwe on Oct 22, 2004 20:52:01 GMT -5
1-if you can make super saying work in % for stat example ss give +5% in if stat soo a lvl 100 ss is stronger them a lvl 20 and it normal.
2- Yes REmove rain of fire lol
3-make buu cell get stronger whit buu soo he could aborb lvl 20 char whitout turn kid
4-Give more ability too geti or give ability too geti drone like death ball and everything(weak version fo course like lvl 1 - 2 -3 whit a upgrade)
5- give Ki shield tooo broly a sort of resis too damage ( dont forget broly is a true mad man and berserker)
6-Give android auto repair skill or ability
7- make cell only get reg if he kill piccolo or touch im
8- make something for later FTrunk because he was totally useless over lvl 40 +
there is it for now
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Post by eav on Oct 22, 2004 20:59:43 GMT -5
-To the part with Cells Regenration, this idea is stupid sry, because Cell have the Gens of Piccollo from when he has been constructed by Dr.Geros Computer , so he will ever be able to use it
- FTrunks do not really need a new Power UP with he Power Up he get he can do enough quests really fast and PowerUp this way, he can also do tourney earliest. And what should he get ? With sword and uss2 he already have great Power. And he can do Nappa and Tree of Might Saga really fast which give a good Boost also he can join the first Tourney and win it if you are good, which no other char can do and win, only Bebi with vegeta,goku or ftrunks
- We already discussed that Geti Star Fragment (Cooler) should get abilitys from Datas he get
- A Mana Shield, i never heard that Broly is passiv, Broly has reincarnation which is Really a Powerful Ability and also he can use SS and USS from beginning. Also his PowerUps are not bad, he could get something Like berserk but would this really help ? Get more Speed but Take more damage because he dont look for defense
Something must be changed: - Potaras have to be blocked after Super Buu get Kid Buu, i heard you can already get them after that - The way how to use the Potara Earrings to fuse ( the distance and so on) should be explained in a special help like "potara help"
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Post by ThunderCleese on Oct 22, 2004 21:10:01 GMT -5
i can enter and win first tourney with perfect cell then go on to finish tree and weelo straight after coz i have over 500 dam
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Post by Curufinwe on Oct 22, 2004 21:21:24 GMT -5
nahh trunk whit all boost cant macht cell and can only equal buu anyway a good broly will overrn trunk easy
For cell it a easy way too slow this begin
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