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Post by azeo on Oct 16, 2004 22:17:58 GMT -5
Those are all great sugestions but wouldn't it be better if like in the show if bebi enters a body he retains some of the power he gets so that way if you take a body then get forced out you wont be totaly weak also while you are piccolo or trunks or gohan you should be able to fuse/mystic/improve sword cause bebi would be tricking them
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Post by bladedragon on Oct 16, 2004 23:24:53 GMT -5
i think bebi should b able 2 become oozaru in any1 but pic. cause he's only non saiyan. if it was just veget and goku golden oozaru bebi would apear less. it should b any saiyan (besides broly)
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Post by Bleen on Oct 17, 2004 6:44:01 GMT -5
Goten, Trunks and Future Trunks never had a tail in the series though. How would they possibly go Oozaru or Golden Oozaru?
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Post by CNukemR on Oct 17, 2004 7:10:26 GMT -5
thats what I (and other eventually decided)
since noone knows if goten/trunks/ftrunks had tails, there is no way we can safely give them oozaru/goozaru/or ss4...
But, every saiyan COULD get up to ss3....
Gohan COULD get ss4 (he HAD a tail, and if goku can get his back, so can gohan)
Likewise, there COULD be more fusions...
there are 3 possible sets for dance (goku/vegeta) (gohan/ftrunks) (goten/trunks)
and then alot more for earrings (no limits on size/power?)
Frieza could get his fifth form, and for that matter does anyone know what form/forms cold had/used?
broly could get ss3 (or lss3 or whatever...) but I dont think he had a tail...
Legendary is a misunderstood thing...
IT could be a myth of a person (broly or goku)
a myth of a tranformation (which could refer to.. ss ussphase3 or ss4)
or just some random thing that makes no sense
but most people dont want to have any of this added, since doing so will make the rest have to be added (for fairness) and then they game/balance will take a massively different shape..(even if gohan gets ss3 at lvl 80 and goten/trunks get ss3 at 100)
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Post by Bleen on Oct 17, 2004 8:08:50 GMT -5
Well Gohan's Mystic should be about the power of SS3 so there is no need to add SS3 for him. As for Goten/Trunks, they fuse and can perform SS3 already. But we should still add SS2 for Gotenks. Vegeta already has SS4, no need for SS3. Future Trunks porabably has the worst transformations in the game. SS, USS & USS2 but uss2 is not that bad but he should still be able to get SS2. Having SS3 to everyone will make this game not as realistic and everyone the same.
Anyways, let's get back on topic. Anymore Ideas?
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Post by Zarmat on Oct 17, 2004 9:40:06 GMT -5
wit mystic, u sayin his normal form b equal to ssj3 or his mss2 b equal to ssj3, and give gotenkz ssj2, and make him get ssj3 like lv 40-60 or sumthing, since he did train for a month or so in the time chamber to reach it, though i suppose it wasnt that long of training  but it make the game more fun for gotenkz, cause its boring getting ur highest trans so early in the game |
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Post by Bleen on Oct 17, 2004 9:51:10 GMT -5
Mystic Gohan is should have the powerful between SS2 and SS3. Mss2, however, should be about the power of SS3. Gotenks skipping SS2 and going straight to SS3 also make Gotenks different from others. If you have SS3, why would you use SS2 anyways?
Now.. Can we please get back on topic.
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Post by Zarmat on Oct 17, 2004 9:53:43 GMT -5
cause u havnt yet reach ssj3 and i think it make the game funner for gotenkz players cause u got more forms to look forward to in the game than gettin ssj3 in like 5-10 mins in which is his ultimate trans
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Post by Bleen on Oct 17, 2004 10:01:50 GMT -5
I already agreed to SS2 Gotenks if you scroll up a bit. I just think why would you use SS2 when you have SS3 available unless your low on mana.
Seriously, we need to get back on topic.
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Post by KingCrazyGenius on Oct 17, 2004 13:26:36 GMT -5
I stand by my arguement that only through supernatural means can SS3 be achieved. Ergo only a fused super saiyan or a super saiyan who trained in the unnatural otherworld would be able to achieve it.
I like most of the Bebi ideas, particularly the Baby Bebi form thing.
Broly was a pure-blooded saiyan, and was infact born with a tail (in movie 11 his clone has a tail, and that's all the proof I need). His tail was most likely removed by his Father to keep more control over him (that necklace won't fit a Legendary Golden Oozaru after all)
The whole legendary thing to me just seems to be a fan thing. I don't think a 'LSS' form actually exists, all it is is just Broly's full super saiyan might.
As for changelings, Cold was probably around the power of Frieza in that form, but was (due to laziness) unable to push himself into other forums.
I doubt Goten and Trunks were born with tails, then again even if they were they would have been promptly removed over and over until it wouldn't grow back anymore.
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Post by Bleen on Oct 17, 2004 14:23:45 GMT -5
Broli was in LSS or what else form would he been in? He has the looks us USS2 Future Trunks except with Broli image and green hair. But the power of SS2+ and the speed of SS2+. His form is a mystery and since he's the only one to achieve this form and him being legendary. We call it LSS, Legendary Super Saiyan.
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Post by CNukemR on Oct 17, 2004 14:30:11 GMT -5
it has gotten off topic due to the lack of anything else to be said about bebi...
.. anyways...
mystic is near ss3 in power, shouldnt mss2 be stronger then ss3? nearer to ss4?
i dont see how you can remove tails so much that they are unretrievable.. after all goku had his pulled out... and you could simply wish for your tail back...
i agree legendary is mostly fan based or unexplained but works well for broly's full speed uss2 or whatever...
i dunno if i agree with your thoughts on ss3 though...
goku did have some odd thing going on with ss3, and was on loan from heavan, but gotenks getting ss3 was totally unrelated...
fusion doenst equal heavan...
now we are getting to the point where ss3 and ss4 arent real... (so to speak, in terms of saiyan trans)
refresh my memory though KCG, when/how did goku get ss3? (gotenks jus... had it)
broly had a tail.. sweet give him monkey!!!!!
as to bebi... i like most of the ideas, although i think there needs to be greater difference between beb's forms...
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Post by Bleen on Oct 17, 2004 14:35:41 GMT -5
Gotenks achieved SS3 from about one month in Hyperbolic Time Chamber. Goku achieved SS3 whilst training in the Other World. As for the lack of difference in the Bebi Forms, only the two Mature Bebi Forms are not that different because one is just a powered up form of up. Maybe we could just make Fully Matured Bebi into a power up item for Bebi.
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Post by CNukemR on Oct 17, 2004 14:57:49 GMT -5
soo goku didnt follow the emotional trauma rule for the ss3 trans?
ok for bebi.. heres my thoughts..
we actually only have 3 forms of bebi..
Baby bebi
baby bebi 2
and mature bebi..
super bebi is bebi in vegeta's body.. AFTER pulling in the power from everyone on the friggin planet?
sooo we can make him have 3 forms... all of which can body people...
(im assuming, but mb wrong, that super [vegeta] bebi is with mature bebi... but IF its with one of the 2 baby bebi's then fine, mature cant body..)
each form should have different hp lvl (PERCENTS) at which they can body people...
the 2 bebi's should be similar in power and skills, whereas mature should be totally different..
each bebi should give different powerup for each body, and that powerup should also work on a different percent...
5% for baby 1, 10% for 2, and 20% for mature (example)
the transformations SHOULD be based on the character.. (ie gohan can ss2 at lvl 9, and goku at lvl 12) (not all at lvl 12)
Vote on whether bebi in body can mystic train HBTC or get trunks sword? (or upgrade piccolo or get potential)
I would like to say a new thing for bebi in the form of power from people (enabling super bebi in a body...) (mature gives 20% +200 dmg or whatever) (super bebi gives... 25% +300) (he needs x peons giving him power..)
and/or those same peons can slowly give him better stats (only bebi or bebi and body..?) (i think it should be bebi/bebi's powerup no the body)
then those same peons can be used for revenge deathball cinematic/skill...
finally, how should we rework goozaru..
i dont really care for him getting goozaru from bebi form, since it makes no sense (goozaru needs fort armor since all goozarus have fort.. mb they can/should have chaos dmg?)
problem is... in this game there is no loss of monkey form(and there should be) soo currently bebi can simply go monkey from 1 of 3 forms...
we COULD revamp what bulma's ray is doing, and just create a fictional form for bebi..... (or if we add goozaru loss, then bebi might need it)
but i dont want to encourage bebi to HAVE to be IN a body to obtain his final form.. (ruins someone's game)
thoughts?
(you can give final/special forms chaos dmg... [vegito and or ss4 gogeta, ss3 gotenks, saiyaman,... hard to balance though]
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Post by Bleen on Oct 17, 2004 15:26:18 GMT -5
What is Baby Bebi 2? I think you mean Mature Bebi. And for Super Bebi, it doesn't seem fair that he has to enter Vegeta just for his ultimate form. Keeping Super Bebi is a must but you don't have to go Super if you want to keep entering bodies. You just auto change all the way to Fully Matured Bebi.
I agree the transformations should be based on body. Like you have to type in "gohan skills" to see Gohan's skills and such. Bebi in bodies should be able to get potential, go Mystic, retrieve sword and go Kamicollo but should not be able to enter Hyperbolic. Once your in, you can just release body and train Bebi yourself.
Bebi in Goku/Vegeta should only go Golden Oozaru using ray from Bulma. He, however, is just a normal Golden Oozaru but it's permanent not timed. However, if you are able to get the Bebi Goozaru down to low enough health, Bebi would be forced out and Goku/Vegeta will be reverted to normal.
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but it make the game more fun for gotenkz, cause its boring getting ur highest trans so early in the game